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Midas Kinght I need help. I am looking for information and pictures or artists renderings of Castl Guillard or Gailard (Not sure of spelling) in France. The one King Richard the Lion-Hearted called his Saucy Castle. I saw in a book about model making a diagram for it. The book said it was considered the most perfect small castle ever. I'm trying to design a castle for a home, so small castles are best, and if this was the most perfect of them, then I figure it bears study. So, if anyone has any info, PLEASSSSSSSE help. Thanks.
CJ
wurdsmiff Popular one this,very recent responses in another forum to the same request, class history project is it?
Got to http://www.castlesontheweb.com/quest/Forum4/HTML/000043.html
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Midas Kinght Nope, personal thing. I'm designing a castle for me and my wife to live in. I've considered concentric Caerphilly-style castles, Chepstow styles ans various German styles. Nothings quite fit yet. I kinda decided against concentrics due to the mammoth size, same with Chepstow. I've been in a castle built to 1/5 scale, and it just doesn't feel right. I want something that lends itself to secret passages and all the cool movie stuff, but is still very much a fortress. Thats the biggie. it has to be defensable against a real seige. Not that there's many rival dukes gonna come against me, but if it can't do the defense thing, then its a large house or small pallace. Does this make sense? Or am I chasing after the wind?
CJ
wurdsmiff Makes sense, there are many like minded individuals already members here. Only suggestion I'd make would be to keep looking at sites which retain more substantial remains upon which you can build your idea.
Galliard has been ruined for many centuries and evidence of the details of superstructure may be difficult to obtain without comparing castles of similar construction dates. Using the floor plan would work, but I suspect you'll have to look elsewhere for the rest.
Another point is that the articles I linked elsewhere regarding this site, seem to indicate that the defensive strength of Galliard was principally due to the lie of the land, enhanced by the structure built upon it. Like most castles the choice of site would have been vitally important to the strength of the place, and transposing the castle design may not work if your choice of site is not of equal quality with similar if not identical topography. You could compromise the very strength you admire by building in the wrong place. Choose your design to match the site, since the reverse process could prove infinately more difficult.
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wurdsmiff Much more complex,though great inspiratition- riddled with passageways which can be maze like to a new visitor, Craigmillar near Edinburgh.
See http://www.caledoniancastles.btinternet.co.uk/castles/lothian/craigmillar.htm
and http://www.frii.com/%7Ephouka/travel/castles/craigmillar/craigmillar.html
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wurdsmiff MK, I now have access to a very old pencil drawing of this site (Gaillard) and a brief architectural description from 100 + years ago. Mail me if you want a jpeg.
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Peter Perhaps it might be better to look at an Irish style of fortification ie.
Can be built on flat ground, without a ditch (or a very shallow one), then surrounded by a bawn. This would open many possibilities for you.
Philip Davis It's also worth remembering that few castles were built of one style and at one time. Consider starting with a relatively small donjon (such as my favourite Castle Hedingham - see http://www.castlesontheweb.com/members/philipdavis/author/heding-1.html ) and then later expanding with an outer gatehouse and a wall with towers providing guest/servant accomodation as money allows. You could have outer walls of earthbanks and wooden pallisades and be historically accurate.
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Midas Kinght The terrain isn't necessarily a problem. I will not build till I have the opportunity to buy the ground I want. I intend to have a moat, either as an adjustment on water already there, or as the moat resevoir of Krak des Chevaliers, just not necessarily that huge. I'm one of those guys who is very specific, and if I can't get exactly what Im after, I'll do without...fault or good thing? who knows.... I have been starting to look at Irish fortifications, tho. just scratched the surface so far. I've dismissed most Scotch castles....just not big on most of the designs.
Phillip...I have considered that as well, and may still do that. I just need a design to move towards. If I start w/ a keep, I want to already have the design for the rest of the fortress, or at least a well-defined idea of what I want to do with it. If you've ever read the cross-section book "Castle" illustrated by Biesty, I may actually go with something like that...sort of the Illigitimate child of Chepstow and Chinon. I'd probably build a small fort to start...just the massive barbican and 2 rear corner towers, and extend from that. I've been re-thinking the size issue too. I've been quite taken by several big castles, and may decide to go with the pointlessly huge, simply on basis of loving the design. If I built the Krak, I'd have to do it full scale...I've been in a scale reproduction, (built by hand...beautiful place), but think that to really do a castle (one that is just being copied) justice, it has to be full-size...just my view. I'm strange like that...
Thanks for the posts, I appreciate the input.
MK